Tuesday, May 16, 2006

How not to win an argument

Union say: If you try to enforce your by-law, we will sue taxpayers.

Great.

Shop Steward Susan Butson warns the city, if they come back, the union will pursue legal action, arguing the city should not be involving itself in this strike.

5 comments:

Chad Moats said...

If freedom of expression applies to corporate advertising and signage, it applies to unions as well. By the way, whom are these taxpayers you speak about ?

R.S. Porter said...

If freedom of expression applies to corporate advertising and signage, it applies to unions as well.

Except that corporate advertising and signage isn't allowed either. Unions should not be allowed to break bylaws simply because they are unions. That's how it works.

By the way, whom are these taxpayers you speak about?

Me, you, David and all the other Regina taxpayers. A city's revenues come directly from taxpayers.

Chad Moats said...

I'm not a taxpayer, I'm a citizen there is more to me and my contribution then mere taxes.
As for corporate signs, you would be incorrect, many billboards reside on public property and they are more clutter then small signs on a blvd.
As citizens of Regina, they have the right to express themselves on public property, public meaning all the citizens. The city doesn't own it, the citizens own the public property.
Quite belittling people by reducing their role to nothing more then a mere financial transaction.

Spakosky said...

Yes, we must respect Chad and his non-financial contributions. What would we do without the Chad's of the world? The name CTF is discriminatory against non-taxpaying Chad, and out of respect for him and his ilk, the name should be changed to the Canadian taxpayers AND TAXTAKING federation.

R.S. Porter said...

Do you take yourself seriously, Chad?

I'm not a taxpayer, I'm a citizen there is more to me and my contribution then mere taxes.

There's no reason to play a game of semantics. You are grasping at straws if you think I claimed that being a taxpayer somehow makes you less than a citizen. You are both.

As for corporate signs, you would be incorrect, many billboards reside on public property and they are more clutter then small signs on a blvd.

Nowhere did I argue that, never in recorded history has a corporate sign been placed upon public property. It is fact, however, that it is against the law to do so. Just like a union cannot advertise on public property, neither can a company. Do you remember the issue over the YAS Basketball sign that was removed from private property? Why do you think that a union should be given a double standard?

As citizens of Regina, they have the right to express themselves on public property, public meaning all the citizens. The city doesn't own it, the citizens own the public property.

That is a very strange interpretation of the law. I'd be amused to see you back that up with fact. There are many, many things that you are not allowed to do on public property; there is no point pretending otherwise.

Quite belittling people by reducing their role to nothing more then a mere financial transaction.

How you come to these conclusions is beyond me. You epitomize fallacious thinking.

No one has reduced citizens to "a mere financial transaction". What has happened, however, is that we haven't closed our eyes to the world: citizens pay taxes.

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