Monday, April 24, 2006

In pain with leukemia? You are on your own

The Saskathewan government has said that parents of an 18 month old girl who was screaming in pain for three weeks on a Saskatchewan hospital waiting list are responsible for the travel and hotel expenses for their trip to Edmonton. The parents, frustrated with the Saskatchewan wait, drove to Edmonton where the baby was diagnosed with leukemia. The government is refusing to pay their travel expenses.

CJME owns this story:

The girl's Aunt Alisa Worobetz says her 18 month old niece was in so much pain she couldn't walk. They tried getting help in Saskatoon but were according to Worobetz ignored and told to come back at a later time. They got help in Edmonton and they got it immediately. Now she tells CJME's John Gormley they have a diagnosis from an Edmonton doctor, cancer. She says had they stayed in Saskatoon they would have had to wait another 3 weeks for their niece to get care.
Let's be clear about the issue here. Due to legislation in Saskatchewan, it is illegal to operate a private hospital. Therefore, it is impossible to obtain health care in our province if the government is unable or unwilling to provide those services.

Is it "OK" for the government to legislate our right to health care away from us? Why can I spend money on my dog's health, but not on my son's? This is insane. And we are unique in the world on this. Only Cuba and North Korea have similar restrictions. If this young family's situation doesn't illustrate the absurdity of the monopoly health system for you, nothing will.

For some of the commentors around here, would you just sit back and take this crap because the interests of the many outweigh the life of your child? Or is there a line to be drawn somewhere, that transcends backward ideology?

22 comments:

Robert McClelland said...

If this young family's situation doesn't illustrate the absurdity of the monopoly health system for you, nothing will.

What it illustrates, Davey, is that you tax cut sons of bitches need to be beaten up for destroying our healthcare system. It won't work if it's not properly funded and it can't be properly funded if you selfish pricks want to cut taxes all the time.

So listen to reality, Dave. I blame you and your ilk for this. And I bet a hell of a lot of other Canadians do to.

David MacLean said...

Really Robert? Because last time I checked taxpayers are spending more on health care that ever before -- both in real and nominal dollars, as a percentage of the economy, and as a percentage of government spending. Also, last time I checked, taxes as a per centage of income were pretty much as high as they have ever been.

If this system is starved of tax dollars, as you suggest, I'd hate to see what a well-fed health system would cost.

But that's no the issue, Robert. Is there a line you draw? How far would you go to protect your child from health rationing? Would you...gasp...take your child to a private hospital to stop it crying?

Chad Moats said...

By the reports in the media, this seems to be a misdiagnosis by a Doctor. I don't think this is indicative of public healthcare but an individual error. Had the diagnosis been correct, there would have been no wait.

Robert McClelland said...

Because last time I checked taxpayers are spending more on health care that ever before -- both in real and nominal dollars, as a percentage of the economy,

This is happening everywhere, Davey. And healthcare costs aren't going to go down just because the government is no longer handling it. If fact, healthcare costs will rise even faster since public sector deliver healthcare costs are rising at 4% a year while private sector delivery healthcare costs are rising by 7% a year.

The simple fact is that Canada once had a near perfect healthcare system that was the envy of the world. But 35 years of constant attacks on it by bitter conservative cranks like you have finally begun to undermine it. And now you cranks have the audacity to gripe about it's shortcomings after causing them.

You know nothing about our healthcare system but empty headed propaganda, Dave. So do us all a favour and stay out of the debate so the adults in the room can fix the problem.

David MacLean said...

Well, now that you are done playing the blame game, what are you going to do about it? In the mean time I don't think you can justify laws that prevent people from paying for their own health care. And, here in Saskatchewan, we're paying 10 per cent more each year to service fewer people.

Danton said...

Only in Canada where a pet receives better health care than its owner. Public health care was,is and always will be an abysmal failure.

Chad Moats said...

A misdiagnosis by a Doctor, happens in every system public, private or a combination.

R.S. Porter said...

The socialized medicine fetishism never ceases to amaze me. There comes a point when the National Deficit Party needs to be taken to task for its evil. All of this only strengthens my resolve as a fiscal libertarian fighting against communism under the NDP’s guise of social justice and supposed human rights. Mr. McClelland, you disgust me.

David MacLean said...

Fiscal libertarian, never heard of that one before.

R.S. Porter said...

It's my goal to popularize the term. It's really just my way of separating myself from what I disagree with on the social side of libertarianism. I just find that quasi anarcho-capitalism can be so much fun--especially while living in Saskatchewan.

Brian C said...

Until it effects them personaly, some people will never be willing to accept any changes to the healthcare system. Just dumping in more money year after year has allready been proven not to fix the problem. When a cure for mental retardation is discovered, hopefully robert mcclelland and r.s. porter won't have to wait in line for weeks or months to get their much needed treatment.

Anonymous said...

Hey r.s. porter!! Your EXTREMIST right wing nutbar politics are staggering even on THIS site!!! You need to turn your computer off from time to time and get outside a bit more often. That bright thing in the sky is the 'sun'! Sounds like you have been sitting in someones basement for WAY too long dreaming up whatever it is that you call your own bizarre political views. I really wish that people like you would run for elected office so that you could see that maybe only 4 or 5 people in the ENTIRE nation are in agreement with your views. Sheeeeesh.

R.S. Porter said...

I never said I was in the majority, in fact I said quite the opposite. But it's typical, whenever someone disagrees with the collectivist ideology they're accused of mental retardation or being an extremist. The only thing you missed was calling me a fascist. It's fun to see angry socialists. In fact, it's fun being a contrarian.

Rick said...

I just have one thing to say, Icouldn't agree more with Brian c.You have to wonder if some of these clowns are actually live here.Brian you said it well!!

aletta said...

For many years I cheerfully paid my share of taxes in the belief (sadly not knowledge) that it was providing a security blanket for even the poorest among us. I was wrong. Unfortunately I did not know that until I was too ill to fight for change. You simply don't know until you need the system that is is woefully inadequate. In France they spend 40% les and have a much healthier health care system. Here people die in the halls of the local ER, but I don't see the adminstrative end of the health care bureaucracy tightening their belts to hire more health care professionals. Odd how the health care system is never run by health care professionals. this is a wealthy country, there is no excuse but poor management.

Sask.Taxpayers Federation said...

Is this a fault with the health care system or with an individual Doctor? That is the question.

Anonymous said...

The problem is that as long as people are not incentivized to use health care rationally, both public and private systems will have cost problems. One way to come to a solution with this, is to give people a choice of insurance schemes, such as high deductible insurance with health savings accounts. Furthermore, I believe that insurance payouts should be fixed for a given disease and going to the affected individual. That way the patient makes the choice on where to be treated, and no third party will have to arbitrate between quality of care and price/cost. I think it is the only way to take the contentiousness out of this debate. This system does also not preclude public health care providers from continuing to exist, they will merely have to compete with the private sector. One thing is certain though, it is tyrannical in nature, and not acceptable for a country like Canada, to criminalize people for offering a health care service on the free market.

sask.taxpayers federation said...

Dr's already have a monopoly on healthcare private or public.

sask.taxpayers federation said...

The free market system is a theory that's all. It's only benefactor is Home Depot,Walmart and Superstore. The rest of us peasants have to pay.

Anonymous said...

stf, you are a genius! yes, you're right. the free market is only a theory, there is no such thing as freedom (in Saskatchewan) and freedom is scary! why, look at home depot! ahhhh! too much freedom makes big-box stores, and we must stop this free market theory stuff before home depot takes over the world!

Sask.Taxpayers federation said...

Buisnesses like home depot charge too much. But what do you do they have everything. Anonymous you must be sniffing glue again.

Anonymous said...

yes, people flock to Home Depot bacause Home Depot charges too much. just like people flock to Saskatchewan because teh NDPpers have taxes too high. oh, wait a minute... people do not flock to SK and the taxes are too high. aybe it only works for big box stores!
and honestly, who sniffs glue anymore?

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