Friday, February 10, 2006

Lorne Calvert: Lowering taxes won't make businesses more competitive

Perhaps this is a sneak preview of what is to come.

Saskatchewan Premier Lorne Calvert says lowering taxes isn't the only way to make the province competitive.

He told the province's business community that it needs to offer competitive wages to retain staff and to better train young people.

Calvert says businesses should pay their workers more. According to the Business Tax Review Committee, Calvert is dead wrong.

Actually, I am coming around to The Party's point of view. Seriously, do you really believe having the highest business taxes on the continent hurts our competitiveness? Get with the program people! The responsibility for our lagging economy and shrinking population lies with the landowner class and the stingy salaries paid to workers. If only the owners would open the purse strings, Saskatchewan would be actually growing.

It's pretty rich that these comments come on the day that new StatsCan data shows Saskatchewan is bleeding jobs despite a "red hot" economy.

37 comments:

Shawn said...

Calvert's inner Marxist is showing. All that was missing was some mention of the titled bourgeoise and the need to strengthen the proletariat. How can anyone listen to this putz without laughing?

Lorne Calvert is the epitome of what is wrong with this province. He knows what everyone else should be doing with their lives and/or businesses. If only we would all listen to Saint Lorne, then the streets would turn to gold and it would rain perfume from the sky.
In the real world, anyone associated with Spudco, the Meadow Lake mill, and goodness knows how many other fiascos would be smart enough to shut his yap when it comes to economics.

One final note; I'm sure the fact that higher wages mean people paying more income tax, thereby lining his grubby little fist plays no role is his comments.

John Murney said...

David, I think I understand what you are saying here, that Calvert is blaming business owners for their lack of competitiveness, when it is tax levels. based on that, here is my question; what kind of message do you think is Calvert sending to the business community by making these kind of comments?

David MacLean said...

I think this comment (and to be fair I haven't read the whole speech) shows how this government views economics. They seem to reject the law of supply and demand. I shouldn't have to write this, but if you increase the size of the company you will increase demand for labour. This increase will result in higher wages.

Anonymous said...

Stats Can is reporting today that SK lost over 2600 jobs in the last year, while all other Western provnces created jobs. I think that this is the fault of the NDP. Calvert is blaming the business community: we don't pay high enough wages!!! The allegation must be that greed is fueling this parsimony! I think that we have two options: we either move out of Saskatchewan, like so many before, or we get rid of the dippers. Questions is: with all these working people and young people leaving, will there be enough people left to vote out the dippers? If mostly dependant people are left, and the NDP uses fear and misinformation again to keep the dependant people and government workers voting NDP, will we be stuck with the NDP forever? Will the NDP reserve SK as a poor and dependent and submissive socialist museum in the middle of Canada?

John Murney said...

You are spot on, David. I just wanted to see if we were on the same page.

archie said...

To the buisness community. Most buisnesses don't pay many taxes already so what tax do they want the province to cut now? More and more of the tax burden is going to working people. I pay more income tax on 42,000.00 a year than my uncle does on 2 sections of farm land. What's next? Pay buisnesses to set up here. I support small buisnesses all the time. I recently purchased laminate flooring from a local guy and saved 1/2 the cost over Home Depot.
It's the big buck stores that are hurtng buisnesses.Home depot,Rona,Canadian Tire etc are reasons why small buisnesses fold.
Big buck stores charge premium prices to cover their no payment plans and credit cards. But sometimes you have to buy on time if you don't have ready cash. But when you buy on time the prices you pay are a lot higher.












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archie said...

To the buisness community. Most buisnesses don't pay many taxes already so what tax do they want the province to cut now? More and more of the tax burden is going to working people. I pay more income tax on 42,000.00 a year than my uncle does on 2 sections of farm land. What's next? Pay buisnesses to set up here. I support small buisnesses all the time. I recently purchased laminate flooring from a local guy and saved 1/2 the cost over Home Depot.
It's the big buck stores that are hurtng buisnesses.Home depot,Rona,Canadian Tire etc are reasons why small buisnesses fold.
Big buck stores charge premium prices to cover their no payment plans and credit cards. But sometimes you have to buy on time if you don't have ready cash. But when you buy on time the prices you pay are a lot higher.












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Anonymous said...

Archie is ignorant, and does not want to learn.
Still waiting for the gubment to operate on your head, Archie?

David MacLean said...

Thanks for the tip on the flooring, Archie. I'm in the market.

Anonymous said...

Here in Prince Albert, Lautermilch is begging Weyerheauser not to shut down as expected on April 13: these were almost 700 very high paying jobs! Mr Calvert, Weyco WAS doing it's part!
The PA paper announces that SK has just hired Lee Doney and Don Wright, both "former deputy ministers" from BC: first of all, what are the chances that these guys are NDP rejects? Secondly, it's the taxes, stupid!

archie said...

Yes I want to learn.Please tell what I need to do to be a good Tory? What qualities do you look for? We have a province full of resources no one wants. We've lowered royalty rates,cut the buisness tax at least here in Regina(15,000,000.00 a year) Now what. How much does the Alberta government pocket out of every barrel of oil pumped there. I pay 2500.00 a year on my house/lot in property taxes. My house was built in 1976. It's valued at 170,000.00. It has a detatched garage. It's 80% paid for.For the area I live in this about average. How priviledged am I compared to Rural Sask? I'm a civil servant and I earned 42,000.00 last year. I'll guarantee you I paid more income tax than any farmer. I have 1 1/2 years left to retire. Did you know that most people who get paid for 8 hours a day work over 9 hours......no O.T. This apppliess to union and non-union jobs......Civil service or otherwise. My buying power is at the same level it was 10 years ago.Leader post stated so. So please convince me why I should feel sorry for big buisness and rich farmers? My taxes support their lifestyle. No farmer subsidizes me.

Ian in NS said...

Look at the last set of numbers on the StatsCan chart, detailing jobs in the private vs public sectors. Canada added almost 140,000 public sector jobs in the last year, an increase of 4.6%. The private sector added only 129,400 jobs, a growth of 1.0%. How in the devil can the public sector justify that kind of increase? No wonder our taxes never go anywhere but up.

archie said...

Ian what do the stats tell you? Most buisnesses aren't hiring. That's a fact.

David MacLean said...

Archie, businesses aren't hiring here in Saskatchewan but they are everywhere else. Cutting business taxes isn't about feeling sympathy for businesses. It's about striking the right balance to have a growing economy. We've never had that balance in Sask, and our job growth stats prove it.

And you are wrong about "nobody wanting" our resources. Our resource prices are as high or higher than they ever have been.

Anonymous said...

Archie, I could tell that you're old, just from the strange stuff that you write: always suspected that you work for the gubmnt, now I know: as for your hate for farmers, it reminds me of the link that someone posted above in relation to the Regina Manifesto re: the famine/genocide.
The commies hated farmers because they were free and self-sufficient: i think that you have the same problem: that, as well as envy so bad that it makes you blind to reality.
And you are totally wrong about us having resources that the world does not want: unless you're referring to Saskatchewan socialist policitians and beureacrats?

archie said...

Ya farmers were free..........to go broke in our boom and bust economy. That's why the CCF started the wheat board, to help ease the pain. An open free market helps a chosen few and that is a fact. The big farmers want to trade grain to whomever they want.The more grains you have the more you can sell. Big farmers benefit,small to medium farmes lose.

archie said...

To Dave Maclean: What makes you think you actually know what you're talking about? Your statements have been said before. They are nothing new. If you like the public services you receive then do you really think tax cuts will make them better. I had another Deja Vu back to the 80's when not too well thought out tax cuts were implimented. Do you remember what happened? Please tell the people on this blog what the tax cuts did to help the growth of our province at that time. How we were booming.What's so different now? We have balanced books now.

David MacLean said...

Thanks Archie. Taxes are lower now than they were under Grant Devine. On the corporate side we still have the highest taxes in North America. The fact that taxes are lower now helps keep us from sinking. Yet, despite all the tax cutting, government revenues are higher now than they ever were.

The economy rose and fell during the 1980s. Those were inflationary times and interest rates destroyed the economy. More than once oil prices dropped below the cost of production.

But Grant Devine's undoing was his his spending that drove the province into billion dollar deficits.

Grant Devine is partially responsible for the existence of the CTF. His government was no friend of the taxpayer.

archie said...

How many people do the people that actually pay taxes support? That's what I'd like to know.

David MacLean said...

I don't have the numbers in front of me, but Saskatchewan has the highest "dependency" rate in Canada. That means the percentage of the population that does not pay taxes or those that are employed by taxpayers. You, for example, are a net draw on taxpayers -- despite the fact that you offer services in exchange. What the economy needs are net contributors.

archie said...

If my job was done by the private sector why is that not a drain on taxpayers? It still has to be done and people depend on me to do a job for them. The private sector would not do my job because they would charge more than I cost. That has been studied. I pay taxes also. Probably more than you do. I probably work more hours than you do ............actually work. My MP Liwkiwski, what was his job before he became a public employee? Because I think some of these tory MP's from sask have earned more money as MP's than they ever earned in the private sector. Those who hate public employees wish they were one. Have you super Dave ever had a real job. Not this phoney baloney CTF but a job where you have to work your way to the top. I think not. I think you pride yourself as an entrepenuer. You think you're pretty important showing up at rallies and saying you look out for taxpayers. Look out for yourself. If you had any real training or skills you would have a decent job. Obviously you don't.At least I put in most days when I'm working,at least 9 hours a day. At least I know I worked at something and did a good job. Can you? There are a lot of broke entrepenuers out there who work for themselves because it sounds better than city worker or Saskpower employee. And most of these guys can't work for someone else and follow orders. Right!!!? Right. Keep dreaming ,some day you'll get tired of waiting for your ship to come in and get a job. Maybe you won't be on the 6 o'clock news, maybe you'll have to join the rest of us peasants be satisfied living in the real world. Civil servants keep buisnesses going in this province by buying services and if we keep paying a dividend to our farmers they may become the newest civil service. Think about it. The legislature is full of opposition MLA's who hate what they themselves are..........civil servants. I find this ironic. All the MLA's including the Sask party are eligible for a fat pension after 10 years service(2 Terms).

Anonymous said...

Archie, it's civil servants like you that make dealing with the government so pleasant.

archie said...

anonymous what do you work at if you work at all?

Anonymous said...

Archie, I am the ghost of Tommy Douglas: I'm just dismayed at the mess that I have wrought here in Saskatchewan! I want to tell you, and my other disciples like you, to go gently into retirement, and let the younger, nonbrainwashed and educated generation clean things up!

archie said...

It's not that public servants are over paid it's that private sector employers pay too little. Try working for Superstore or Walmart. I know people who work there. Not too well paid at all.

archie said...

To anonymous your regressive thinking is scary. You should call yourselves the Regressive Conservatives.

Anonymous said...

Archie, the problem is that your socialist brethren tax low-income people: then uses the money to expand an already bloated gov.

Archie, the NDP tax too much: all in the name of "redistribution": now luckily, most of this redustribution goes to clients of teh NDP (like Archie), perpetuating them in power: all others, like business owners, need to be attacked! Now this is all very nice I suppose, but the problem with your redistribution is that it has a price: there is little expansion, in fact, we are witnessing contraction in an economy that should be booming.

Further government meddling, that you call "progressive" will merely lead to something else: "contraction" of the economy, that will lead to more poverty: don;t beleive me? ask any Cuban or North Korean... or any SK resident with a bit of brains.

But Archie, you and Calvert and the other socialists are the best thing that every happened to Alberta! for example, I jsut read how the bitumen levels of oil sand samples taken on the SK side are much higher than AB: apparently, this is good for the SK side: but you dippers keep industries out... Alberta should be paying jsut to keep you in power!

archie said...

We are not ruled by communists.If you think that you're really repressive or regressive. Where do you get this old 1930's attitude. We taxpayers including civil servants support a lot of non-taxpaying citezens. Because you say it MacLean doesn't make it so.You have no hard evidence to support your statements. Even in capitalist USA the civil service is huge if you include the armed forces. The US army is a make work project. And all the fat cats in Bush's administration benefit from it. Did you watch the documetary Fahrenheit 911??? The American Government is bigger than ever. You Mr.Maclean cannot backup your misinformed statements with any facts. You shoot off from the top of your head and some gullible people believe you. You are a Taxpayer.......not payers. The views expressed by you are yours and are mostly bullshit ramblings with no basis in fact.

Anonymous said...

rchie, you're ranting again! You better clean your screen with windex! And take your medication, you're very excited and not making much sense!

archie said...

I'll bet anonymous and Mclean are each about 2 rent payments away from shitting in a shoe box under an overpass. I'm pretty sure that's correct.

Anonymous said...

Archie, there aren't that many overpasses in Saskatchewan: your socialist firends spent all the money on potatoes and handouts, broken ashphault is all that's left! And Archie, you seem to be pretty smug about being stuck to the public teat: aren't you way too old to be acting like a spoiled brat, Archie?

archie said...

I remember when the last Tory government was in power.They got rid of 3000 civil service jobs which did nothing.We had 10 years of deficits. Nothing moved in this province but my bowels. Tell me what makes you think firing public servants makes sense. It removes taxpayers and stifles the economy.
If people aren't working they're not spending money.

archie said...

Don't blame civil servants for rotten governments. We just follow orders and try to maintain services.

archie said...

I read in the globe and mail that the Bloc will back up the conservatives. That should make parliament good and fair eh? All the tories want to do is divide Canada. Having judges answer before a tribunal before being appointed.Just like the good ole USA. What a crock. Are all parties on the tribunal? Why do we look to the USA for inspiration? Every country they touch goes to hell. Are we next?

Anonymous said...

Archie, you shoud move to Iraq and help the "armed insurgency" there, they could use a level head like yours. And you are right: Saskatchewan should hire about 1,000,000 civil servants, then there will be lots of taxes paid, everything will be hunky dory. And we shoud put Archie and Lorne Calvert in charge. And collectivize all the farms. And indoctrinate all children in special preschools. And never ever ever question a government appointment, sucha as a judicial one, blind obendience of the government is absolutely required. No more cartoons making fun of Archie and Calvert either, that will be verboten. Then everything will be grand!

archie said...

Well if president Harper has his way our social nets will be gone soon enough. Even in Alberta they have a holiday today that corresponds to a holiday in the states. We're so lucky to have a right wing Americanized leader here in Canada. The people will really benefit from all the good things the USA has to offer. Hey Maclean childcare money for no child care spaces. All you mothers out there should be happy. You small minded Tories should be really happy now. We're still paying off the debt from the last tory regime now we can start all over again.

Anonymous said...

Archie, the only rason there won;t be social programs is because you socialists: 1) destoy the economy; and 2) over-burden the system b corrupting the populace by discouraging them not to care for themselves.
And about debt, who paid down more, Calvert or Ralph Klein?
And you will find that the Harper conservatives are not the same as the Mulroney ones: Harper et al are a new generation with new ideas, and they will rescue us from you old socialists.
Archie, the US is outpacing us in terms of productivilty, disposible income, even birth rates. I was last in the States about a year ago- after leaving SK, it's like going 10 years into the future.
You ever been our of regina, Archie?

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