Wednesday, November 09, 2005

SK: Lower School Taxes

With all the oil and gas money pumping into Saskatchewan, a group of local governments are calling for the Saskatchewan government to lower the education tax.

17 comments:

Chad Moats said...

There are better ways of accomplishing this then Tax revolts or putting the burden on provincial tax payers. The fact is that the Municipalities Act is antiquated and needs to be amended to allow municipalities more flexibility in revenue generation.

David MacLean said...

Well Chad, every other province in Canada pays for education out of the general revenue fund to a greater degree than Saskatchewan. And none of them additional tax tools for municipalities. School tax are a symptom of ongoing downloading, plain and simple.

Chad Moats said...

Agreed, David but we probably disagree by how much.My opinion is that it should be Daycare to 1st degree,certificate, etc. Last I heard is that it would cost $25M to fund every resident of Sask. in post-sec education. In relative terms that is a drop in the bucket.

David MacLean said...

We are talking about school taxes, not about the education system per se.

Chad Moats said...

Same sh*t different, well u know.
Yes, and I agree that ed is under funded and a regressive form of taxation. Municipalities need to offload their reliance on them, including school boards, but the Mun. Act limits them considerably. As well, as you always say, throwing money at it won't solve the problem.

Chad Moats said...

The truth is David being a crony of Mr. Klien's and responsible to a few private interests in Alberta, you don't really have a grasp of the important issues to the people of Saskatchewan. You are attempting to bring Alberta logic to Sask and we don't want to be Alberta, no matter how much the LP or Gormely try to convince us.

tommy douglas said...

So you are just going to take your ball an go home chad?

What the hell give s you the idea that maclean is klein crony?

Chad Moats said...

Read his CV.

Anonymous said...

Chad is a 30 somthing U student that pretends to speak on behalf of the "progressive and enlightened and caring" peole cause alot of harm in the world but make themselves feel very good while they do it. Frustrated at losing an argument, he will lash out and call call names.

Chad Moats said...

So your against people returning to school in their adulthood to better themselves. As well, nothing I said was untrue.

Anonymous said...

Chad, what a pompous post! must be nice! And you speak for all of us in SK, and Dave's a crony! lol! You keep bettering yourself, maybe someday you will learn wisdom, humility and appreciation of those that know better (and subsidize you, and will employ you when you go to work for the government).

Chad Moats said...

Nameless poster,
You refer to me as pompous yet in your comment you state, "... appreciation of those that know better..".
Is that not a pompous statement ?
The difference between you and I is that I believe my statements to be an opinion. You seem to feel yours are the gospel truth. I do not want to make everyone think like me nor should they but it seems to me that you and your ilk have this outlook on life. You can continue to hide behind your anon. postings, so that you don't have to face any personal criticisms. I will continue to put my name up because, " What does not kill me, will make me stronger ."

Anonymous said...

"look at me look at me, I'm Chad and I'm going through changes! & if you don't agree with me I will call you names!"

hahaha!

tommy douglas said...

Sorry to ruin your Oprah moment, but you are the one who is questioning peoples motives and making personal attacks, Chad.

You walk in here and say the author of the blog is a crony and is beholden to some secret interests in Alberta, and then you expect people to take you seriously.

You are a joke.

Scott said...

Moats:
First of all Municipalities do not rely on school taxes!
They collect them for the provincial govt. They don't get a commission! RM counsel doesn't set wages or any other school costs but have to pay the piper {pied}
If a landowner is late or doesn't pay his taxes the RM has to come up with the money for the school board. They don't set the mill rate. Farmers are about 3% of the population yet pay over 25% of the school taxes collected. Is this fair?

Mr Culvert promised in 2003 "the status quo is not on".
The Boughan report was to be instituted.
Culvert immediately raised the sales tax 1% and since forced amalgamation of school boards on the rural taxpayers as a cost cutter?
Studies have shown that the amalgamation in Manitoba and previously Sask. did not save any money but was very costly.{More high paid bureaucrats Paper pushers}
What did he do about school taxes an eight percent reduction on all property.55 mill. yet he said they would reap 160 mill from the 1% sakes tax increase. The money was from a welfare cheque from Ottawa.
Why are the farmers paying the shot on education when their average age is over 60.
How do the other provinces fund education? Check it out.
Why should I pay for your university education so you can be a bureaucrat.
Free secondary education would be like free booze at a wedding people would pig out and waste.
I have helped fund 6 degrees for my kids and don't think it should be free!

Anonymous said...

Education is above all an investment in oneself. The definition of an investment is that it yields returns above the cost of capital invested. There shouldn't be and there is no shortage of private capital to finance education that yields a return, mostly in the form of higher wages. Any other education is for personal gratification and should be financed by the individuals who consume it. There is no fundamental difference in pursuing a degree in some obscure subject that will not result in a job and any other leisure activity. I do not want to denigrate such studies by any means. I just don't think they should be publicly financed. When it comes to elementary schools and High schools, parents should pay for their children's education. If they cannot afford it, and only then, should they be helped with vouchers from the government. Generally the technological advance in education delivery across the western world has been slow, and therefore costs tend to escalate. Only a true education market with minimal government intervention driven by consumers will yield better and cheaper education. On another note, we must consider certain inequities that are created by the fact that the government only subsidizes certain forms of secondary education. The focus on universities is quite myopic. Many computer experts don't bother to go to University anymore, the overly academic and slow environment of universities is simply not adapted for the fast evolution in the computer world. They fund their certificates privately. Similarly I had to pay for my pilot training through a private loan. Now that I am working I have to repay my loan and finance my high school pals university studies through my taxes. That is simply not fair.

Anonymous said...

Chad, your message, as I understand it, is that everything is great, that we should shut up and pay our taxes; and that municipalities need more flexibility in rev generation? Does this mean new taxes, levied by the municipality? I don't understand.
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